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Great posts!  Like everyone here, I'm an INTP (and still trying to forgive myself for being so).  I never doubted I could accomplish whatever career I decided upon, it was just making that decision that took so long.  I chose law (mostly because medicine required too many prerequisites and that god-awful residency).  I enjoy some of the intellectual aspects of law - developing theories and creative arguments, going to different courts and experiencing a change of scenery - the rigid deadlines and procedural rules are maddening and leave me feeling disorganized and drained.  The interrupting client phone calls from angry and desperate people are often annoying.  I do want out, but can't afford it as I am the sole support of my family.  I recommend to any INTP who is considering a career in law to first work in a law firm for 6-12 months or so and really pay attention to the daily grind before committing to the six-figure debt that comes with the education. 

Question:  Can anyone here think of an alternate career for a medical attorney?   I really wouldn't mind my work on a part-time limited basis under my terms (no 3 hour commute, not chained to desk because that's what's done, lots of flexibility) and then also doing something else as well to keep things interesting. 

I've considered studying web design and trying to market sites to niche law firms, perhaps with substantive content.  Not sure about the time commitment and money that would require, or the market for such services.
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Wow! I'm so glad I stumbled upon this website!

I recently had an internship and had to take an internship class along with it. Our professor had us take the Meyers-Briggs to learn about different personalities and how they can affect the workplace. I took it twice and tested as an INTP both times, and both times the T/F were very close (all the others were very clearly one-sided). I really relate to the INTP but found many qualities in the INFP that I could relate to as well. 

I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for INTPs not yet in the workforce. I notice some people have been working for a few years and have been bouncing around from job to job or are unsatisfied with their jobs. I'm about to be a senior in college, and I am majoring in English. Since I was young, I have loved to read. English was my best subject in high school and I had some great teachers that encouraged me. I just don't know what I plan on doing with my English degree. I have considered being an editor or publisher, but I'm a little scared of the "corporate" "office" environment that comes along with it.  I considered teaching when I was younger, but I'm not sure if I could stand in front of a class and talk for an hour! Also, I'm not exactly organized enough to do that. When I did a project for my class, I considered being a college professor though, just because of the freedom in the classroom and the focus on the intellectual realm of life, rather than the boring office environment. There were a lot of pros, but again the cons of speaking in front of people every day and being organized enough to run a class frighten me. 

English teacher, journalist, and writer were all suggested careers for INFPs, but I think I relate more to the INTPs. I don't write creatively, but I really enjoy writing analytical papers for school, arguing a point with evidence from the novel/work of literature. Structuring an argument with evidence appeals to me, so I considered being a lawyer, but like the last poster, I don't think I could handle the bureaucracy involved. My other academic interests are philosophy (probably minoring in this) and psychology, and, less so, sociology, political science, and history. I have considered law or psychology to a degree (I like philosophy, but that's even worse than English ), but English has always been my gut instinct, so I'm following it!

So, what advice would you give an INTP starting the workforce soon?
What kind of jobs do you would be good for me? (Challenging and one I would enjoy)
What jobs, besides the ones listed (editor, publisher, or teacher), can you think of that I might enjoy? Which one out of the ones I have listed do you think would be best?

Basically any thoughts or insights are appreciated! I loved reading about other people's experiences, thanks all for sharing!

Katelyn 

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Hello... I have tested an INTP with my therapist.... Although, when I took the test in high school I was always almost straight down the middle with I/E... a little more E than I...


I am pretty good about dominating small group discussions... terrible with mingling... and tend to observe people at parties or in crowded places... I love people watching... I can actually see what's inside of people... I can tell things about people just by seeing them... there's this feeling which just tells me things... Sometimes just by talking to them... I quickly know what they're thinking or where they are going with ideas or feeling...

It's pretty fun...

So I am a bilingual speech language pathologist... I typically work with the young 0-3 and what I like most about that is the parent education part of it... I am bored and ready for change... I know that this is not what I am meant to do and for the past 2 years wake up everyday hoping someone will cancel...

I've discovered that I am a teacher at heart and love to solve other people's problems or offer solutions or help them find solutions... I like to give advice and share my opinion...

My husband says that I will get bored of any career change I make because I am insatiable...

Well... i am here because I've been considering a career and business as a life coach... I enjoy the metaphysical sciences, intituition and... well I one of my friends just told me she can't see me as a life coach because I don't always get along with people and well I can't very annoyed and frustrated with people who say they want change/help but don't take the steps necessary to change...

So I guess my question is how do you as an INTP women deal with these issues?  Do you feel like an INTP enneagram type 1 would do well and enjoy a career and business in life coaching?

What are the pros and cons specific to our personality for a career in life coaching...

Also... have thought about motivational speaking... which I've realized many life coaches also speak...

I am very passionate when I talk about things I know, love, and understand so I believe I could influence people through speaking ... I just need to be more motivated to take the initiative to just start doing something... jajaj

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Hi Michele,

I'm learning more about my INTP personality type and it sounds so similar to the other posts.

I'm 28yo, have always been obsessed with music whether listening, collecting, playing and these days using computers to create, modify and experiment with. Even as a small child I'd watch MTV until the early morning. I have a few records that have been released on various record labels around the world (usually 1,000 records for each run - so very small scale). So, to say that I haven't been pursuing my "dreams" isn't true. HOWEVER, this aint payin the bills! Sooo... I have jumped around from job to job (decent jobs) lots of admin, executive assistant, document specialist, account manager for both large corporations and small privately funded companies. I know I DO NOT want to be in an office for the rest of my life. I had studied audio engineering (a vocational school - so no degree) and thought I wanted to record bands for a living but that was a nightmare. Of course, I use the education I received for my own music making but again, it's more a hobby, even though I've toured Europe and frequently perform in clubs in the US.

I feel like I need to get my sh*t together and find a career that I *dont mind* pursuing that will provide me with the money I need for my true love/hobby, MUSIC! If I could have it my way, I'd just sit in my room working on music, everything ranging from experimental noise collages to really commercial advert music and underground rave/club music, even new age ambient music! I love it all.

The thought of making "music" my career or profession scares me to death. I would feel completely empty if my love for music were somehow compromised or became a "chore" or duty that needed to be done. I can completely relate to actors when they say they only want to do movies they have a genuine interest in doing! I get that.

So my question is... what do I do? I have lots of interests; architecture, finance, computer/software engineering. I actually enjoy math. However, the technical aspects of computer/software engineering bore me, but I like the brainstorming aspect, thinking of new ways, designs, interfaces without getting into the nitty gritty stuff. Do I bother going back to school at this point for a 4 year degree? I too am 28 years old and feeling like I'm running out of time.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond, I love reading all the posts here. It calms me to know there are others with the same obstacles, and I know stressing about it wont help things.

FF


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I have to laugh (not in an unkind way) at those of you in your 20s who haven't figured out what to do yet. I am a 55-yr old woman and feel just the same. I really urge you to seek coaching or whatever you need to do to figure it out sooner than later. I have been an interior designer, a marketing engineer and a tchnical writer/editor and now unemployed for 2+ years because I gave up finding a career that works for me. I'm now entirely financially dependent on my second husband - never a good thing. I feel I have wasted way too much of my life in jobs that weren't a good fit for me and have felt very depressed about it. I wonder if INTPs have a higher rate of depression than other types. I am fascinated by the Myers Briggs testing. Another INTP problem - too many things fascinate us (great curiosity) but no apparent way to put them together.   I feel as if all the puzzle pieces are laid out and staring me in the face, but I just cannot put them together. Anyone else feel like that?

Prize for who can put my puzzle together:  I love to research things on the internet, I love animals - especially horses, I enjoy personality theory, learning about interesting people. I love to plan and organize (in my mind) with diagrams, boxes, bullits. Process oriented. Good judgement, intuitive of course. Common sense. Idea person, not implementer. Big picture, not details.

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My MBTI type is INTP and my enneagram type is 9w1.

Recognizing much of the topic... I'm 29, turning 30 in four days. I've lost my late software engineering job last year. I have a masters degree in biology. I have a hard time applying for jobs (which I'm required to do), especially because I don't know what I want. Fortunately I'm past this requirement now, so that I can take my own time for it. Not much is working out yet, it seems I'm heading for a job in catering, which is not bad but won't do it in the long run.

I have diverse interests, such as plants and environment, language, music.
Long ago I used to enjoy programming, but now it doesn't feel good to pick it up again. What I do like - like others here - is databases (That's a part I did like about my job). I might work towards that as a kind of plan B, but it might well turn out to be a good choice.
Seeing enneagram type 9 job suggestions versus INTP job suggestions there's some pretty contradiction.... As indeed I don't mind manual work (I volunteer in gardens... and I like things like loaming and making clay stones : natural building).
I've seen the biological sciences, I believe. I don't feel the need to return there. As my intellectual interests now move more towards languages.

Ok, this answer is even getting somewhat longer than I had thought. Glad to it, for this thread seems so relevant but I don't easily know what to answer. I'm not really asking for anything, thought I'd just join in.
One of the first posters asked about software engineering. I've worked in that field (without having a specific degree in it, I entered in the good years) and I haven't used math - I think logical thinking and using creative solutions is more important. I don't see the link between software engineering and math, except for when you would program directly on a math-related project.

Personally I wouldn't mind eventually being involved with a database system that relates to ecological / agricultural improvements. I like to have this multifunctionality as opposed to only (working for) nature or only something technical. Of these two my heart would lean more to the first, though. Or writing about these areas (agriculture / ecology) would be ideal even. I need to get more of an idea where my practical skills lie.

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Hi Llewellyn,

Thanks so much for joining the discussion, it is so helpful to see all the different types of experiences and interests INTP's can have.

I love the idea of your ecological database.

For yourself, and any other INTP's looking for their next project/career...I really suggest finding ways to follow through on your hunches and interests.  INTP's do so very often need to create their own careers, and that starts with following your brilliant minds where they are inspired to go.


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I too am an INTP to the absolute core of my being. It's painstaking at times due the nature of an INTPs thought process. I have spent the better part of 15 years trying to figure out what I wanted to do in life, but as an INTP I have found that most jobs do not align with our personality. I know jobs exist that INTPs can and do thrive in, but finding them are very difficult. 

I am currently unemployed, again thinking what I should do with my life, I have some really really good ideas of what would make me happy, however getting into them is another story that I am not sure is possible. I'm sure most INTPs feel that analyzing and developing solutions is vastly rewarding, but how many jobs allow you to always be in a state of doing just those aspects esp. from an entry level position. Many jobs require years and years of, what to a INTP is "tedious" work, to get to that level and have the experience to back up your thinking, but INTPs are different, we don't need years of experience to operate in that capacity, and many of us don't have the patience to get there.

I've done many different things, computer hardware, programming, web design, database administration. While fun in the short term and some have paid extremely well, most of the jobs get boring after 2 years and a change is needed. I have walked away from jobs that have paid 80k+ because I felt I didn't belong. I want to find something that will allow me to constantly challenge me without the mundane tasks. I personally am not a "finisher", I can devise many things but lack the fortitude to actually work on the task for long periods. How does one ask a company to give them a shot at something they have never done, or have little experience with without them knowing you? How do you find a job that you can constantly analyze and create without having to do the tasks that would make the job boring? INTPs throughout time have been innovators and free thinkers. How do we find those freedoms in the structured world that exists today?

I would also love to hear from others on their concepts of time. I myself am a person who will work for hours on end to finish something important to me, but working in a "8 to 5" job with very rigid hours is horrifying. How do you cope with it? Does it bother you?

Thank you Michele for giving us a wonderful forum for people to talk about these things, and the help you have given people.
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Hi zocheez and welcome...

It strikes me that consulting may satisfy a lot of what you want...Get in and get out, focus on the problem solving, etc.

As far as the how-do-I-get-the-street-cred to put forth my great ideas, I think as INTP's we just have to claim it, whether we are on the job or in a consulting role.

One thing we may need to watch with ourselves is falling into the role of the analytical "that won't work" person at work, yet also finding ways to put forth our great ideas with confidence and conviction.  We aren't usually the ones to toot our own horns, and frankly in a lot of ways we can be sort of detached, especially if we've lost hope that anyone will ever take effective action.

Office politics is usually of no interest to us, or disdainful to us, but it doesn't hurt to know who the players are, and what makes life easier for them.  We are good at finding solutions that make things easier for people!  That can soon get us the support we need to be seen as the go-to problem solver person.

You are so right about time...INTP's have a remarkable ability to focus such that time doesn't exist for us.  But if we are bored, time becomes huge.  Like any person, it is our responsibility and right to continuously strive to be in environments where we can express our abilities.  That is directly aligned with fulfillment.


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Hello Everyone, Greetings and Salutations! I am a lost soul. 53, divorced, unemployed with little to no prospects, take your pick ;-) Okay I was working for a major corporation for 22 years, ouch! Now just completely lost as to what to do as a resume is what you did, not what you are capable of! I hate computers, the details and drivel of how they work bore me to tears! Not really sure how to use this resource not good with tech. Not a Luddite but not technically proficient despite 22 years in the tech oriented industry! Talk about a dicotomy! Any help with research avenues, resources that are free as I am unemployed, 7 months ;-( 4 of those with medical issues which precluded me from investing valuable time towards finding employment! Sorry if this vague, somewhat forlorn and melancholy but I need any help that this community can give me, other then buy a rope ;-) Thanks to all ~!

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Hi Tertsius, Welcome...

Tell us a little about what you are interested in...Hobbies, types of books, interests, any thing at all!




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Hobbies, Sex, but I haven't that in so long I renamed my water bed Lake Placid ;-) Well I am 16 with 37 years of experience and my hobbies are past hobbies due to this hereditary arthritic condition I have ;-( Was a very accomplished bowler and scratch golfer now sedentary. I play darts when I can walk. More a drinking team with a darts habit though ;-) Was an International Master in chess, again not engaged in that pursuit. Anyone interested in buying 2500 chess books? If I had the money I would paint all the time. It is cathartic for me. Graduated HS at 14, wanted to go to Med School as I had scholarships to any college for 4 yrs. Ended up washing pots and pans at a local private CClub. As for books; history, bios, true crime, hate sci fi ;-( Watch alot of tv now mostly shows like Jeopardy, Top Chef, the FoodNetWork, HGTV, NatGeo, History Channel, Military Channel. Favorite genre of movies is war. My main hobby now is finding a job which is like finding lips on a chicken. Very disheartening. Also trying to find a niche within the voice over or narration biz but that is exceedingly difficult also. Think deep basso such as James Earl Jones but Danny DeVito to Arnold ;-) Strengths. Intelligence, out of the box thinker, wise guy who is sarcastic, self deprecating humor. I am pretty accomplished now at breaking the ice with people and engaging them in conversation. Not at all afraid of public speaking though have no friends. I am the luckiest man in my area as I get to sleep with two blonde's every night, my two bichon's Dali and Georgia ;-) Things I really stink at; paperwork, getting started, making decisions quickly, making plans, making any sense of gov employment sites. Well that is enough topic domination by moi. Alleyoop and stage left see ya'll later, TA.

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How often do you paint now?

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I don't paint at all now. I am in a rental property and I paint from the elbow not from the wrist ;-) Any dabbler or artist will tell you that art supplies are mucho expensive so my painting has lain dormant for a few years now. I can draw realistic but paint only abstract expressionist. Like large canvases and getting more paint on that then on myself ;-) I also like watercolors but again the technique requires room which I don't have and of course the money issue. Rich or poor nice to have money ;-)

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Hmm...If I can be so honest, and thank you for being an example for all of us, but all I hear is an awful lot of stories about why you can't do it...Those things may all be true, but to focus on them is to keep yourself stuck.

Really, you LOVE painting, but you can't find ANY way to incorporate it into your life?  Yet you say you have a value of doing what you love.  Hmm.  Not adding up for me!

The secret to finding a career you love is to DO things you love.  Sorry to make it so complicated. 

If you can't do it to perfection, do it any way you can.

Love (or have interest)--->Act--->Results

It's not up to you to connect all the dots between what you love and the career.  Just start doing things you love, and you'll be moving down the path of where the things you love can take you.

Stated in all love and respect for your genius, fellow INTP! 






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Well that's me, thimble full of self esteem if that much? Biggest stumbling block is my innate negativity! Genius, yeah that's me. A person who knows more and more about less and less until I know everything about nothing ;-) Stories, I got a million of them! Problem now is I am in a hole 50 feet down trying to climb out on a ladder I never had !! How is that for poetic contraction ;-) In the tech/electronics industry for 22 years and hated most of it. Now what do I do since they aren't exactly hiring and I can't just switch gears without Bill Gates lending me cash? I think there is a Joseph Heller novel in there somewhere? I do have a job fair to go to tomorrow though of course I think I am wasting my time..... who wants to hire me, they will only see my resume, middle aged and the silent age discrimination issue..... yada yada et cetera ad infinitum! I admire and envy people born happy, effervescent! Not me, I am no blue bird of happiness! My ex even wonders how I made it to puberty with the effects of my mother and my family. And guess who I must see to print out my resume for tomorrow ;-) Well it was never my intention to turn this forum into my private pity palette or air my boring interstices, so forgive the elaboration and less than pithy details!

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You have an indomitable will that can carry you through if you stop looking at what is wrong and instead focus on what is right.

The mental powers that make you so great at getting yourself stuck can be used in forward directions instead.  You can see it.  Make the bold choice for living.


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My ex says I am one of the smartest people she has ever met and she has 2 masters. Yes I am a bulldog but cursed with a face that rivals Brad Pitt ;-) Oh dear why was I born so glib, and not rich ;-) Yes, I hear posibility thinking can be a learned trait but I seem to fall back on the comfort of woe is me. My name at work was Eeyore! I am not sorry that I have a very keen eye for detail and for events or ideas that wont pass muster. A very critical eye, should have been a detective? Probably a consultation job in me if I could figure out how to do that. I am not necessarily negative I just see thru everything near immediately and distill it which people say is negative but is critical thinking! Sort of like I had a fan club once but the guy died LOL!

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Consulting would be perfect for you.  You can figure out how to make that happen, but only if you buy in that it is truly doable! 

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Two for Tuesday update. Did the Cattle Call otherwise known as a Tech Fair. Whoa! Suit city and loads of folks from 40-old, looking for a job! Yes it is tough out there boys and girls and the corps, they have all the toys ;-( Went well, some decent feedback and some unexpected hits on my email when I got home. Little back story to today. Had all the goods laid out to wear; kilt, sporan, just kidding but how fashion has changed ;-) Had a nice white french cuff BB shirt. To my sheer amazement the collar wouldn't button. Not by a smidge mind you but like and inch. Imagine a shirt bought 20 yrs ago wouldn't fit for a tie? Was a bit distressing but the pants fit, well they did if I sucked in the atmosphere of the planet! Okay so I could stop drinking beer and wearing 15 yr old trousers, who knew? So I wore a christmas red teddy bear vest with gold star buttons. Kaching a hit with all the stretched neck windsor set! I was very charming and positive I hated myself for being so wonderful. Hollywood are you listening ;-) I tried to accent the positive as the song goes and not just here is my resume. I am more than what I have done! Stay positive gang, not easy but try. For an INTP I really could do a public speaking gig. Most people seem to be so off put by a hello I am so and so positive energy?

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